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	<title>Comments on: With lies like these I&#8217;d rather the LibDems fiddled their expenses</title>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Memo to Ms Bridget Fox

Result in Islington

Labour           12,428
Greens            8,551
Liberal Democrats 8,167
Conservatives     6,170

I think we can say any further claims of &quot;two horses&quot; is incorrect in Islington</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Memo to Ms Bridget Fox</p>
<p>Result in Islington</p>
<p>Labour           12,428<br />
Greens            8,551<br />
Liberal Democrats 8,167<br />
Conservatives     6,170</p>
<p>I think we can say any further claims of &#8220;two horses&#8221; is incorrect in Islington</p>
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		<title>By: Lib Dems&#8217; leaflets: Legal, indecent, dishonest, untruthful :: Adrian Short</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lib Dems&#8217; leaflets: Legal, indecent, dishonest, untruthful :: Adrian Short</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it seems that the Lib Dems&#8217; leaflets are legal I maintain my original view that they are indecent, dishonest and untruthful. They may be &#8220;within the rules&#8221; but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it seems that the Lib Dems&#8217; leaflets are legal I maintain my original view that they are indecent, dishonest and untruthful. They may be &#8220;within the rules&#8221; but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Short</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Short</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

These are European election leaflets. There are no local elections in London today.

Nich Starling,

If the Tories (or anyone else) are making claims about the need for tactical voting in a first past the post election then that&#039;s legitimate. There&#039;s no need to vote tactically in the European election held under a proportional party list system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>These are European election leaflets. There are no local elections in London today.</p>
<p>Nich Starling,</p>
<p>If the Tories (or anyone else) are making claims about the need for tactical voting in a first past the post election then that&#8217;s legitimate. There&#8217;s no need to vote tactically in the European election held under a proportional party list system.</p>
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		<title>By: Man in a Shed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man in a Shed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - that&#039;s the whole point. They are using the local elections to deceive people about the European ones. ( Lets face it the Lib Dems really should understand proportional representation shouldn&#039;t they ? )

As an example see &lt;a href=&quot;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ppUJUMk2JfI/SiQwryotMSI/AAAAAAAAA7k/i-f04Jwv4C0/s400/LibDemXBox.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; which clearly shows an attempt at a cross over from local election to Euro PR election. ( As an aside the local Lib Dems don&#039;t even use the Council Division they are competing for, nor the last equivalent election for the MP constituency they do show. Claiming its only 4% between when at the last general election the gap was 14% ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; that&#8217;s the whole point. They are using the local elections to deceive people about the European ones. ( Lets face it the Lib Dems really should understand proportional representation shouldn&#8217;t they ? )</p>
<p>As an example see <a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ppUJUMk2JfI/SiQwryotMSI/AAAAAAAAA7k/i-f04Jwv4C0/s400/LibDemXBox.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a> which clearly shows an attempt at a cross over from local election to Euro PR election. ( As an aside the local Lib Dems don&#8217;t even use the Council Division they are competing for, nor the last equivalent election for the MP constituency they do show. Claiming its only 4% between when at the last general election the gap was 14% ).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Senior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For real lies in leaflets , see the Conservatives in Taunton . They managed to libel not only the LibDem candidate but the CEO of the Council . After police involvement they are now running around delivering another note from the chairman of Taunton Conservative Association withdrawing the false allegations . 
 Incidently there is a council byelection on Sutton council Nonsuch ward on July 2nd .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For real lies in leaflets , see the Conservatives in Taunton . They managed to libel not only the LibDem candidate but the CEO of the Council . After police involvement they are now running around delivering another note from the chairman of Taunton Conservative Association withdrawing the false allegations .<br />
 Incidently there is a council byelection on Sutton council Nonsuch ward on July 2nd .</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always amuses me when the Tories or Labour whine about Lib Dems using their tactical advantage in a few FPTP seats, when Labour and the Tories constantly tell voters, &#039;there&#039;s no point voting for anyone other than us because it&#039;s a wasted vote.&#039;

If this is the most scandalous thing the Lib Dems are doing then good on them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always amuses me when the Tories or Labour whine about Lib Dems using their tactical advantage in a few FPTP seats, when Labour and the Tories constantly tell voters, &#8216;there&#8217;s no point voting for anyone other than us because it&#8217;s a wasted vote.&#8217;</p>
<p>If this is the most scandalous thing the Lib Dems are doing then good on them!</p>
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		<title>By: Nich Starling - Norfolk Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nich Starling - Norfolk Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I could equally show you Tory leaflets that do the same, leaflets from the Tories in North Norfolk used in general elections claiming the Lib Dems cannot win (its a Lib Dem held seat) and many other examples to.

Get over yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I could equally show you Tory leaflets that do the same, leaflets from the Tories in North Norfolk used in general elections claiming the Lib Dems cannot win (its a Lib Dem held seat) and many other examples to.</p>
<p>Get over yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a member or anything, but aren&#039;t those leaflets aimed at local elections, not European ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a member or anything, but aren&#8217;t those leaflets aimed at local elections, not European ones?</p>
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		<title>By: That's News</title>
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		<dc:creator>That's News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, that&#039;s the strange thing about the Liberals. As individuals they are lovely people. But get them together in the Liberal Party/Liberal Democrats and they become feral and mendacious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, that&#8217;s the strange thing about the Liberals. As individuals they are lovely people. But get them together in the Liberal Party/Liberal Democrats and they become feral and mendacious.</p>
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		<title>By: Man in a Shed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man in a Shed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the same problem with the Lib Dems in Woking. I made the same point about the deceit on the electoral system.

I am pushing to take a more direct line of attack against the deceitful practices of the Lib Dems. It time their style of politics and little tricks were exposed to the electorate for what they are and what they tell you about who the Lib Dems are.

PS Great post - I&#039;ve cached a copy of it locally to refer to in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the same problem with the Lib Dems in Woking. I made the same point about the deceit on the electoral system.</p>
<p>I am pushing to take a more direct line of attack against the deceitful practices of the Lib Dems. It time their style of politics and little tricks were exposed to the electorate for what they are and what they tell you about who the Lib Dems are.</p>
<p>PS Great post &#8211; I&#8217;ve cached a copy of it locally to refer to in the future.</p>
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